"I think the idea that we're going to solve misbehavior is kind of utopian," Buck says, adding that is "what the progressive idea is."

"If we just get the system right, then kids are going to behave. And that's never going to happen," he says. Instead, Buck advocates for a strong disciplinary "system in place that anticipates and responds to misbehavior."

The lack of such discipline in the classroom is leading some teachers to resign and harming students' ability to learn, says Buck, the author of "What Is Wrong With Our Schools?: The Ideology Impoverishing Education in America and How We Can Do Better for Our Students." The book was published in December.

Buck joins "The Daily Signal Podcast" to explain how the agenda of the woke Left has led to a lack of discipline in American classrooms, and why a restoration of discipline would improve learning outcomes for students.

Listen to the podcast HERE, or read excerpts from the conversation below:

Virginia Allen: I was really interested in a recent piece that you wrote for Fordham that you say, in all the highs and lows of your teaching career, "nothing has left me more stressed or anxious than student discipline." For those of us who are not teachers or who don't have kids in school, fill us in here, go a little bit deeper, explain what's happening in our classrooms. Why is there this lack of discipline?

Daniel Buck: ...I've had colleagues that have been cussed out by students. They ask the principal for support, and the principal brings the kid back 10 minutes later with a bag of chips. And what does that communicate to the rest of the kids? Well, "We can cuss out. We can disrespect the adults in this building. We can basically do whatever we want and we get to get away with it." And quickly, then, it's not just individual teachers, but whole buildings...

...This idea that adults having authority is oppressive. There's this trendy idea that the teacher-student relationship is the same as the oppressor-oppressed dynamic of Marx. So imposing any kind of rules on children is oppressive, even racist. And that's really what's causing it, is just these woke ideas are becoming mainstream in education...

Allen: So if you would, share some stories with us from teachers that you have talked to of how this is affecting them, it's affecting their ability to be able to do their job and educate, but also, how is this affecting just teachers as people?

Buck: One story that caught my eye—I'm in the Milwaukee area, and there was an open letter to Milwaukee, the school board, and the teacher said she is growing fearful of going to work. She and her colleagues are, they dread going to school now, and they spend their time trying to put out bigger fires like fights, vandalism, the destruction of property.

So it's no longer, "Oh, we have a few kids that are kind of talking too much or throwing paper airplanes across the classroom." We expect kids to be kids. But, like, desks being broken and kids hitting each other and drawing blood in class...

There's a district that had a, basically, behavior audit and teachers could send in what they're seeing, paragraph reports. And ... one quote struck me from it. They were told there wouldn't be suspensions unless there was blood, which is just, like, a horrifying line.

But what it does to teachers is it should be a joyous profession—working with kids, seeing them learn. There's nothing that brings me joy like the productive din of a classroom that's learning. And I enjoy driving to work every day, but I know there are teachers out there that are in chaotic schools that are terrified of going to work, that are scared of themselves being physically accosted by students, verbally berated by students...

Allen: Can you offer some advice to those who are listening who are teachers and who are struggling to maintain that order and have discipline in the classroom? And then also maybe offer advice to anyone listening who wants to be a teacher and who's thinking, "Oh my goodness, what might I be getting myself into?"

Buck: It's certainly doable. This year my classroom really started to improve and I realized I couldn't rely on my administration for this and I had to kind of implement all of these things for myself. And it's a balance between being the disciplinarian and also rewarding kids. So both sanctioning bad behavior and rewarding good behavior.

So some consequences I've implemented in my own class, I will give up my preps, my prep time, to pull kids from lunch to give my own detentions. I will pull individuals from gym class to give my own detentions, extra work for them to do to take home, extra homework. I've called seven, eight, or nine parents in a single night, both for, "Hey, your kid did this in my class today. Can you take the phone away for me?" I don't make that explicit of a request, but that's usually what happens. Or also, "Hey, your kid got the best grade on this essay. I want to make sure I praise them for it."

I have in-classroom rewards where I keep track of their grades, how they're behaving, and I pay them out in not real cash, classroom cash that they can then use to buy snacks that they can buy, extra credit they can buy. I have a comfortable rolling chair that they can sit in for 45 minutes of class, those kinds of things... Subscribe for free to Breaking Christian News here

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